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Old 08-29-2008
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Default Something on Fox news (of all places) freaked me out..?

...I am an athiest but what this one bloke said sort of got me thinking:

For the universe to have existed, matter must have come out of nothing.

And, therefore, I presume, what it came out of is God.

Putting aside the God question - can matter and energy really come out of nothing?

Freaky.
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As far as we know matter and energy cannot come out of nothing. However it must have. Throwing a god or other object answers nothing because it just puts a label on the unknown. It tells us nothing about the nature of that thing.
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And its less freaky that god came out of nothing. Same thing. What's the difference?
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That's his right. If he wants to believe in a god then who are we to tell him otherwise? But when he uses that belief to justify hatred, racism, and ignorance. Then there is no excuse.
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Alright see 16 yr old guru could keep going all day. The simple answer is the Earth could not have been created out of nothing. Everything in the universe builds off of something. So God must have created it. But then who created God? No one knows. That's what faith is all about. I personally believe that there is a bigger and better and mind blowing world above us that we cant even comprehend.
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Ok, I believe in God, but that is a circular argument and therefore bad.

As the other guy said, in that case, who created God? If it was another God, who created him? And so on, and so on, forever. You see where this goes. It's a pointless question. Very circular. Definitely not definitive. Like asking which came first - the chicken or the egg. No one knows, no one cares. It's a pointless question. There is no answer.
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Nothing is nothing. You are created just above the animal level how could you become more then this animal if you did not have a means to do so.

God is to science the first source and center and this is how we could conceive of energy and matter beginning. This is the un caused cause. The law of cause and effect must have a cause. Just as a shadow must have a form to cast the shadow.

We may not know who or what this un caused cause is but logic would have us accept that it is.Religion makes that connection and philosophy gives it meanings.

The concept of the I AM is a philosophic concession which we make to the time-bound, space-fettered, finite mind of man, to the impossibility of creature comprehension of eternity existences--nonbeginning, nonending realities and relationships. To the time-space creature, all things must have a beginning save only the ONE UNCAUSED--the primeval cause of causes. Therefore do we conceptualize this philosophic value-level as the I AM, at the same time instructing all creatures that the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit are coeternal with the I AM; in other words, that there never was a time when the I AM was not the Father of the Son and, with him, of the Spirit.
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